Caribbean Medical Schools have different controversies in the market. If you are socially awkward, then medicine is not right for you. pls can I get your contact? They are for-profit and that lends itself to weeding out a large portion of the class. I wouldnt have an issue with the low gpa cut-off if prospective students were given the real numbers on how many students make it through each semester. 1. 75% of Sabas students go on to graduate, attain a medical degree and then find residency (usually in internal or family medicine). Cancel your social media profiles. 5. There are things to seriously love and seriously hate about not being at school in the US; but overall if I add the fact that my desire to go there was to be a doctor, the benefits seem to outweigh the cost. If you want it bad enough they give you the opportunity and once again I think I got a great education with study skills that have carried me into residency! Youll always have to fight and be your own advocate but I cant complain because without them, I wouldnt be getting my degree next year! Most schools will have a facebook group so if youre looking to get into one, join those groups and ask questions. I am very happy to be here in the Caribbean. Volume so big to learn it all in short semesters and hard to retain long term. We all have a place at the table. 2 sections/200 student lecture in one classroom. Here is some information you should know about this particular medical school in the Caribbean. I went to SGU and withdrew in my second semester education was just really bad. Please I beg you not to go there! Info came directly from admissions committee. Sounds like you went to a school similar Avalon University School of Medicine in Curaao. Quality of facilities was fine. Especially with stats like 8000 applicants for 120 seats.Thats a joke,when a great number of those seats go to minorities .A student that is 24 or 25 years old doesnt have the time to wait year after year to get in hopefully. But this is just my opinion. I would appreciate any advice people have as to pros/cons of each school: Ross v. Saba v. AUC v. AUA. Rules of Attendance-professors seem to have been exempt. Any advise from experience is very helpful.Thank you. She hoped to study stress- and poverty-related illness in medical school, she told me, but the cost of tuition, along with the pressure that would come from being one of the few minority students in her class, discouraged her from applying. They dont push themselves with studying. I couldnt agree more.St.George University School of Medicine is fabulous .Their system follows more of how Med School runs in Europe like Germany ,Switzerland or Britain.They give more qualified students a chance to succeed ,that probably in the US would have never had a chance to get into Med School. You must work for the school. Today, sixty-four million Americans live in areas where there is only one primary-care physician for every three thousand people. I do not think that US Medical Schools are putting out the greatest doctors, especially after having handled medical malpractice lawsuits for the last 20 years and knowing that medical negligence is now the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States. As a student last semester you had four courses and in order to move on to the next semester you had to pass all classes with a 70%, if you did not pass one class, then if you failed the course but fell within a 65% you can take a remedial which I have heard is extremely difficult to pass. Hospital Volunteer Opportunities Near You, Is Ross University A Good Medical School? Lectures are recorded and we can access previous terms recorded lectures, in case you would like to get ahead with the material. I know of many students who do well and excel and even get residencies in big name hospitals. Are you a future physician or not; and how are you going to get there? Plus, I am doing online elective for about 30 weeks with paying $30,000 /22 weeks. (many friends had full blown meltdowns/psychotic breaks/personality changes in the first 2 years). You read correctly! Questions would highlight what should I know. Everyone will ask you for the money. scholarship. They throw us all against the wall and whoever sticks gets to stay, whoever falls they leave behind. I had a better experience at Avalon University School of Medicine environment with smaller classes and clinical availabilities. Doctor revived after suicide. -Ive recently heard alot of cons about Ross but what do you think of the school since it has moved to Barbados? All of our lectures are recorded on Echo360, so attendance is not required, so I just sit in my lovely brand new condo here that looks onto the bay and do my class work for most of the day. surrogate Interns, and otherwise treated poorly. I applied to Ross, AUC, AUA and Saba. I have tons of research and Clinical exp as well. First of all, the school accepts way more than they can handle. Do you see a pattern here?? Saba has a match rate of 58% among US-IMGs. You see that with relationships, after many years marriages that no-one ever thought will fail, fail. There is no Caribbean school that will tell you there is a 40% fail out rate in their school. There are lots of lawyer at USA for wrong thing so why there no lawyer for any kids and fix the system? In 2016, she was accepted to a residency program in family medicine at a hospital in Hendersonville, North Carolina. Passing scores were raised 3-4 times over the course of 2 years; every time I met the criteria the score was raised. I had a 2.75 GPA and my MCAT was below 30. 2. Any help will be appreciated! I would just like point out that in order for a Caribbean-based student to become licensed as an MD, he/she has to pass the same exams and survive clinicals the same way U.S. based students have to. 2. Life is short so dont spend forever trying to be a doctor and look seriously at other options which will keep you happy. 80% of lectures and labs are mandatory, which I believe is inconvenient for many of us. For those of you interested in studying medicine in the Caribbean, there are options apart from the for-profit off shore medical schools. You cant underestimate what someone else went through. To become a PA is more competitive than a DO school. No one helped me when I asked if I should withdraw or not. It doesnt follow European model at all. We also have free shuttles from the school to other places in the town (running frequently, 7 days a week from 7 AM to 2 AM or later). No consideration was given to the obstacles that I had to over come just to graduate undergrad, or that I finished top of my class in law school. My boss whose a IM doctor/director of a hospital hazed me all the way through. I actually know of about 7 students who decided not to do this extra course, and decided to go straight from premed into MD1. The school has to have this 40 percent attrition rate to fund the paid positions for our clinical rotations in the US. Been there and done/doing that! And you wont feel that desperation to finish until you have invested so much of your soul, money, sanity for the hope of coming out the other end a doctor. Its true, also acknowledge, while your motive might be to get educated, some people are business people, insurance people, and so forth. Always have other thoughts in your head, about life; so that if you stumble, fall, get depressed, you will find a reason to get up and live and pursue something. I wish i could say it wasnt true. @Nick, have you seen those real USMLE questions? Luckily there are post-bac programs, special masters programs and even night pre-req classes available to pre-meds that are motivated but still just below the bench mark of being accepted. Apply to them knowing that there is a high attrition rate, but also know that if you work hard and you stay focused, I dont see any reason why you couldnt succeed. I dont know the current overall attrition rate at Saba because it varies a lot per semester and it is getting progressively worse in recent years due to changes in management and administration. You going to go through stuff, it might not feel like the worst thing for some people, but it might be the worst thing for you because you really need to show up on your scheduled time. In some instances, SJSM will have an instructor that practiced medicine in the US. Talk about conflict of interest.. the largest provider of family/internal medicine docs to the USA with no regulatory oversight also controls the testing centers that administers the exams that allow students to match depending on those scores This is beyond me..and have lost hope in the healthcare system; and from the quality of students I have seen at this school I fear for the future of America and predict medical errors, malpractice litigation, and the regression of society as a whole.. Oh this is definitely SGU. Massachusetts, This is a very interesting post. When picking your medical school, or your job and location; examine yourself. I prefer to go to the beach, go hiking, or to a resort after an exam, than going to a bar in NYC during the wintertime. My honest advice having having some experience with that route is to not do it because the outcomes are very unpredictable. This school sounds like it is SGU in Grenada. You have to want this as bad as you need to breathe. AMCAS, AAMC etc. Approach from day 1 to learn via doing questions and then learning backwards on the lecture material. Good Luck everyone. If youre someone who has excellent grades and excellent test-taking skills, you will almost guaranteed match after four years. That said if you think you can cut it try a walk in these kids shoes if you dare. Its a more affordable option. For students who are really struggling to get into medical schools at home, due to super competitive requirements, it could be a solid option. 30 years and 3,000+ successful graduates later, were proud to say that Saba University School of Medicine has lived up to its founding vision. This is definitely on the low end compared to the average U.S. med school GPA of 3.71 (Source). I had a diverse amount of extracurriculars with international medical missions. Did clinicals in NYCgot accepted to a University Hospital IM residency in the South and now Im applying for fellowship in a competitive field currently with what one would say are a lot of interviews. We have a great psych department for those who suffer of anxiety, depression or are facing a difficult time. If so, do you think the same things occur around Europe? I also have a second home in Atlanta, so I would not have to pay for housing for rotations there. i just want to go to a school in which most if not all the faculty kind of care about the students success and teach well. It wasnt as intense as some of the Island schools. Its the worst thing for some; but you either decide from peoples comments, in term one or after a school visit if you can tolerate that. They told the school that using the students assigned work without their permission was against the law and that the schools accreditation mattered more that the money they could make from the questions written by their students. Its worth a shot. Schools like the International University of Health Sciences allow you to take the basic sciences online (2 years), then find a residency in the United States and their system has been very successful. and etc. If they did they wouldnt have the demand they do now because if we were given all of the facts, some us would have chosen a field within health care that doesnt require this amount of chance, debt, stress, and moral compromise. The loans are private and the rates are through the roof. form such extreme positions. One (SJSM) is way cheaper than the other. California approval is a good indicator of quality because their board is very strict in evaluating a school. Since its founding, more than 2500 students have earned their medical degree at Saba. it would be of tremendous help as this is something ive wanted to do my whole life. Most have matched into residency and are staff now. Ive watched my classmates drop out, semester after semester. I have a dilemma that my dgtr who wants to become a dr is in 3 rd year and has low gpa of 3 and interested in Caribbean schools and wants to go there ASAP Compared to most U.S. or Canadian medical schools, Saba is easier to get into. While students from Canada are eligible for federal loans through the Ministry of Education in their province of residence. English: at least one uear of college-level English literature or composition. While I didnt particularly care for the island, it wasnt the hell on earth that hes describing. They do not post them. Go into law, computer science, education, be a therapist, a psychologist, heck study pharmacy if you want. They originally had 4 exams scheduled for the students, then they changed it to 2 exams. I will most likely attend Johns Hopkins and do a fellowship with Yale, but I know the road wont be easy. 7. The notion that one must be a physician in order to create change is a toxic mindset and creates an even further divide from physicians versus advanced practice providers. I attended a Caribbean medical school in a Spanish speaking Island. Ill call you now!! Does anyone recommend to retake the MCAT and get into a medical school in the US instead of the Caribbean? Residency then was brutal, no work hours limits, some malignant attendings that could make your life miserable by generally if you survived and completed the program you could be thrown in the fire and survive. AUA is one of the big fours and this is how AUA works. It might be primary care but you will be an MD as opposed to maybe going to PA school or some other area of healthcare. The reason you came to this school is because it would accept you. Stop going out to parties etc. These are the people needed to close the health-disparities gap. As Peter McConarty, a veteran family doctor who advises E.L.A.M. Develop an app be a match maker find a need, fill a need and you can go to the Caribbean and retire on your catamarran on your private beach. My hubby is deliberating between AUA (global health track) and SGU. Meanwhile, the cost of medical school has skyrocketed; the median student debt for the class of 2016 was a hundred and ninety thousand dollars. My son is in the same Caribbean Med school. If you dont mind Ill like to talk to you as regards getting an MD degree in the Caribbean. I am an Air Force vet. The ambition to dig deeper and understand more. Every bit of it. Hence;I do still think Caribbeans are 2nd best option,but one has to do his/her homework carefully when choosing a school. Hard to paint with a broad stroke here as so many factors are involved; however, the main point that I think we can all agree on is that these schools should not be deceptive with students. These schools want high quality doctors and have reputations to uphold. I am taking the time to write this because Caribbean schools are not what people think they are, or at least my school is not what everyone says about Caribbean schools. So, once again, we are not mashed into one lecture hall. Brings us to: 6. Its one thing to recruit people that have high skills, Bryan Hodge, the director of the Hendersonville program, told me. If you want a 250 STEP 1 score you work for it. United States, QS Master's Events in Middle East and Africa, Find your perfect University program with our matching tool. I realize that this comment was posted more than 2 years ago, nonetheless, I could not help to concur and share some updated events happening in AUA. Even at SGU, ROSS, and AUC there is no guarantee that you will graduate and even if you do manage to graduate, there is no guarantee you will end up matching into a program you like or even the specialty that you initially wanted. Whats not so good is all the student loan debt especially if you drop out. Unfortunately, the truth is denied to you. You might not be accustomed to the standard of living, and its definitely outside of your comfort zone. is it still considered on of the top school in the Caribbean? Compared to other schools I must say AUA does have good resources and facilities. 4. Yet, school position is, they have more than the minimum seat requirement for institution to qualify as one. I received 72k for having GPA/MCAT >3.6/507 within a week of applying. I had plans to go to medical school but wanted to take a year off. Compared to other Caribbean schools, my school is eligible for US government loans and it offers many scholarships to its students. My heart goes out to you all. I decided to apply here because I have five friends who came to this school and they are practicing in the US without any problems or delays in their careers. At $26,000 tuition per semester and the chance of financial aid for both U.S. and Canadian students, also means you shouldnt rule it out. search BS/MD programs. SGU is the 4th largest source of doctors so what you guys are saying is scaring me! I would still go back to med school if some things changed. Id have to say that there was a certain element of chance with this whole experience. We have a lot of student organizations in case you want to show off your leadership skills. sticker every few months, and got a new one. Medical School success is a factor of time allotted, repetition, and efficient studying. I wouldnt want a physician who couldnt maintain a C to work on me or anyone on my family. Fall semester ends before Christmas dont start up again until February, BUTFinal exams in January?!? My hope for the future of Medical school is this. Compared to other Caribbean schools, my school is eligible for US government loans and it offers many scholarships to its students. Do not do not do not go to a foregien med school. Antigua and Barbuda have two Carib MD schools that have a combined match rate of 46%. I remember an attending once told me that he preferred Caribbean students because he knows how hard we had to work to get to where we are now so that was nice to hear! Trust me and stay tuned. Admissions Rolling admissions. Saba University School of Medicine is one of the world's leading international medical schools, with nearly a 30-year history of educating outstanding physicians. There are usually so many mistakes made by the inexperienced professors, the lecture becomes confusing and muddled. I lost 200k at SGU and they didnt care. The tuition is high, before you go in, decide to give your all, but if you dont make it you have already calculated and thought about what you could do to help yourself. If you honestly dont have the stats, dont look at the Caribbean as the backdoor to an MD because it really isnt. It is not my intention to sound like a d*%k. You know yourself. Student Mentor. I also have a Masters in Applied Behavioral Analysis from the Chicago school of professional psychology and I will be publishing my research on paraphilic disorders by the end of august. also, as long as they keep admitting the student with the 1.9gpa and no mcat to compete with the perfect gpa student with multiple research publications, etc to be in the same class, then the attrition rate will stay high. After she applied and was accepted, she braced herself for her six-year odyssey in Cuba. View her TEDMED talk Why doctors kill themselves. Whatever is the reason, its better for you to ask and do your research about medical schools. Ok you went to a carrivean school, you still have to get ecfmg certifued to find a job. Now, I am trying to pick up the pieces to get back on track to pursue my dream of becoming a physician. Things will never run like home when you are abroad, believe me, I flew from the Caribbean, home to US, and to my birthplace Southern of Africa and went back via Europe. Can I ask what Post-bacc program you did? According to Congresswoman Karen Bass, of California, a supporter of E.L.A.M., funding is the main problemparticularly under the current Presidential Administration. Around 30K+ doctors did not get residency last year. The gross anatomy lab is a joke of an hour a week where students get into scrubs to walk into a lab and stand around the plastic organ displays that decorated your 7th grade biology classroom. When I received my score, I immediately registered to take it again but got the exact same score. Plus their schooling is oriented towards osteopathic medicine, slightly different (slightly), than what is tested on the USMLE. Cry, laugh, get shocked, but get that MD if its your destiny. Yet, they can effectively describe complex concepts such as cardiac pharmacology and explain to you and their parents about beta blockers etc. Is that you? If you cant handle the environment, try to figure that in term one and leave the school. students registered as tourists, drove to Texas and cleaned off the tourist I attended a school like this in Grenada. I really dont see a problem with giving someone a chance to do what they really want in life. Zainab as a Caribbean native I must say that most if not all the Caribbean schools are owned and operated by foreign nationals. Now go and become a Doctor !!!!! I hope this helped anyone considering this path. My school gave me the opportunity to study medicine, something that US medical schools didnt do for me. US med school admissions just comes down to simple economics; you have more students than you have seats. Now most of student who is from where I m (California ) go for some Linkage program and fees for that is 60K. If you cheated or something, theyd I am a big believer in life is what you make of it. The school and curriculum arent that difficult. Im a RN, BSN and in my late 40s. I also understand that loans are not as easy to get for foreign med schools. This is not undergraduate, welcome to the majors. were a Girl, and serviced the Dean, you had it MADE. I spent thousands of dollars taking a couple classes in order 1. So the fact that you learned medicine, means you can utilize it to save lives when needed, or expand it in any career path as an assistant or team-player helping patients. I thought Noreste in Tampico was BAD. And as far as extracurriculars go, youll need to get that minimum 50 hours experience. Everything that they have to say about the Caribbean school life it is some time true in Canada as I was studying in the hospital theater where no place to put your books and no place to charge computer due to university rented rooms for a money. or foist horseshit on us such as: Winter Compare the top 3 Caribbean schools (St. George, Ross, AUC) and pay attention to things such as environment, living situation, curriculum, and most importantly KNOW yourself. I feel that no one who is truly motivated and belongs in the field of medicine can fail if they have such an attitude. 80% of lectures and labs are mandatory, which I believe is inconvenient for many of us. Pauseyou guys have actual cadaver dissections at AUC? I thought THAT was Bad! The alumni association periodically brings graduates from the US and/or Canada to the school to talk about tips for residency, how to adapt in our transition when we return to the USA for clinicals, and how to study for USMLE, among other topics. And although youll still need to match those admissions criteria (by no means easy), its probably a lot easier to do so than it would be matching any other medical school state-side. The study environment is best because all teachers are cooperative and professional. There is housing for the majority of us, and even if students dont get housing, there are many buildings and houses right outside the school that we can rent. Do your research before making a commitment to attend any for profit medical school. I had a 3.55 GPA. Not only that but, my school has such a great diversity of students that it is so cool when the students offer you a place to stay anytime you plan a trip. Im a physiologist whos been teaching at US medical schools for 30 plus years. I am not surprised as this would benefit the bottom line. For profit medical school in a Spanish speaking Island they changed it to 2 exams spend forever trying to a! 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