Straight out of Huxleys Brave New World. If they would avoid this bizarre obsession with calling preachers Gods special anointed and lifting them up so high, these men might actually retain enough humility to embrace the concept of working out your faith in fear and trembling. Humility before God and humility among your fellow humans would go a long way to change these horrible offenses. And I believe Chandler made those comments before all this took place. More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. They require three years of rigorous academic study. ishy: Can I start a revolution where mental health assessments are a key part of allowing people to be church leaders? In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. I found that the church kept a yearly record online of significant happenings. . Serving Our Community Since 1919 . This is good. The Third Reich only lasted 13 years, the USSR for just over 70. YOU SHUT UP!. (remember Dustin Boles? Here is her new account. Corrupt churches lack safeguards because they prize their corruption. Know this we are committed to caring for all involved in this situation, including those sinned against the Hall family, Hunter, anyone else directly affected, and you. It might help, but Im not sure how well it will work in the long run. It is extremely difficult to safely extract from someone like that. Inexperienced and unproven, they assume Lead Pastor roles right out of the chute! I was only insightful and wise when they wanted me to be and it fit their agenda. Hunter Hall is a certified mediator in all State of Florida courts and can serve as an independent party to help you . Im sure for some it starts early in teenage years/youth group. Bill Decker, Executive Pastor. The magic words here would have been, Bill, can you give me a hand with Stevie? However, Bill probably would have spotted the problem early on. religion, including christianity, is what people make of it. Wealth addresses orphans & widows, not private planes. He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) There used to be a tradition of the loveable rogue who would steal from the honour boxes in churches and buy a round of drinks with the money he snagged. Wow. He is featured throughout The Village Churchs music on several platforms (iTunes, Amazon music, etc.). Secondly, it is a form of justice. Stan: Well I didnt like that sermon, but this church does so much for missions., Weve heard stuff like this before folks who defend their pastor no matter what Yes, I know he is a bad-boy sinner, but he sure can preach!. the women clutched their invisible pearls and the men looked like theyd just been punched, (with a touch of hyperbole), and after a bit of feet-shifting & spluttering, the pastor conceded. I was constantly confused in all the evangelical circles I was a part of in college and my 20s, even as a single woman. Hunter Street Baptist Church, 2600 John Hawkins Parkway, Hoover, Alabama 35244 (205) 985-7295 At one point, cars did not have headlights. It may be better to screen for these traits, and that might be more possible if the candidates are people who are known to the congregation for a long time. Rom 12, 1 Cor 12, Eph 4. but, maybe they also study these matters in seminary? Namely: improved focus and contextualization, multiplication, and a chance to embrace succession and allow it to succeed instead of resisting it. Rex Barrett. How to Resign from a Church And when you add God to the mix as Enforcer THAT is the real meaning behind Generational Curses.). Samuel Conner: the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. We continue to work closely with Facilities My mom is not doing well at home and may need to be rehospitalized and my kitchen is torn up. It reeked to high heaven! Perhaps the economics wont work, in which case it may be necessary to rethink the traditional model of owned meeting places and full-time mono-vocational staff. Ken Bowling, Assistant. The congregation gave this person a fair bit of time, and then worked through established steps to show displeasure and move the person along. The concept of God is like rocket fuel for this. But not anymore.. ++++++++++++++++. Perry Hunter Hall, Inc . Theres something not right about pastors in their 20s-30s with a hand-picked elder team of same age controlling things. Jamin Roller is still 16 years old. I would say wife-swapping is a rejection of a socially established morality at least in my neck of the woods. You can also submit your own story idea. Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? It doesnt seem like anyone is requiring the pastors to have any integrity. Those are our people. Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? WHO IS HUNTER HALL? Cynthia W.: Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. Movies. So common back then even the locker-room comedy Slap Shot included a Swinging scene! We will do everything we can to walk with ever person impacted by this, not just now, but in the months to come.. Allegedly, once the innocent spouses were made aware of the infidelity between Hunter Hall & Wimberleys wife, a decision was made by ALL of them to engage further illicit activity. It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. I truly hope those in Colorado do not fall for the reboot with these folks. theyre not bad men. Wimberley was the worship pastor at the Dallas Northway campus before joining Hall at the Plano campus. What happens now? Hall was found dead in a hotel room in the early morning of Oct. 22. Is there a simpler way to describe it that isnt so technical? . J. C. Pegram - 1897; Rev. Oh, then the pastor went after the church member who had been defrauded because his good buddy elder couldnt possibly be at fault. And, my board had ongoing assessment while home on furlough. This ensures that the PUBLIC knows about the reputation (good or bad) of the pastor and whether or not he is qualified to be an elder in the church. Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! Penetrating and insightful. A psychological assessment is like a burglar alarm. Housing Scholarship Info. She is now back under a different handle while she deals with them. They had little to no self reflection and often the woman was cast as dramatic or infantile (usually it was related to some sort of dating situation, but it sometimes pertained to other things that had a man or men involved) .when she wasnt the problem at all or in few cases only a little bit of the problem and not much. They have effective safeguards for children and adults. At the very least, less Shandas fur die Goyim. Outside that shes just kind of sitting there in his mind. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. aising cattle and selling expensive, but guaranteed, clean steaks. How come its the men wife swapping! I have to wonder if Lake Pointe Church is aware of ANY of this. Youll be okay as long as you go to confession and do penance if its venial, at least in the eyes of many lay people. Gridlock'd. Waist Deep. What could go wrong? Main Menu. In my opinion this appears to be a case of marital infidelity involving two consenting adults. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. They are the parents of three sons, and the grandparents of five. Know this we are committed to caring for all involved in this situation, including those sinned against the Hall family, Hunter, anyone else directly affected, and you. They have matured in their faith at The Village Church. Then add to that the local groups with multiple sites: besides Village, we have Fellowship, Watermark, Gateway, even Prestonwood has two sites (if they were REALLY into the movement they could easily have several more). Administration organizes but does not subvert agency. If youre elect, then the P in TULIP teaches that youre never out no matter what. Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common. i.e. email, with two to three preferred tour dates and times, to housing@uhcl.edu. For any questions regarding on-campus housing, email housing@uhcl.edu or call 281-283-2615. Under the cover of grace, they cheapened the precious message of Christ to the people under their care. To paraphrase an old Excedrin commercial: but still, how did this happen? Matt & Lauren Chandler are friends with the Halls they are not just obscure staff members. We are committed to caring for you. Before you clutch your pearls, dont think for a second that they wouldnt try. But, as my husband often says, Gods still on the throne.. Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. . i think we all are susceptible to things that go in the personality disorder direction. Hunter Hall school in Penrith is an independent school for boys and girls aged 3 to 11 years, where we offer a different approach to education, i nspiring children to learn in a supportive, caring and homely environment. You will not believe itor maybe you will. Who is Hunter Hall? Open Discussion Page. I guess its because the details are shocking, but the leaders are always the same in these churches. And while we're affordable, we're a great value because of how far our degree . Agreement Signature Date. You said it elastigirl, you said it. I have to wonder if Lake Pointe Church is aware of ANY of this. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list!Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. Given this, I wonder exactly what they discipline. I dont think it was help completely, but maybe itd be a start? I keep wondering what pastors of mega churches think pastors do. Hunter Hall offers temporary housing for short-term Hundreds, perhaps thousands, who followed them are now confused and disillusioned. Of course, they also went to public hangings and bear-baitings for fun. I think NPD and ASPD account for a lot of men I ran across in these circles. Their children were putting up a protest in another part of the house. Patti Scoggins, HR & Finance Dir. over 40 minors to choose from, UHCL has something for every interest. They are our family, and God has raised them up and established them in Plano to do ministry in Plano for the people of Plano.. spacious community kitchen, study lounges, student-centered spaces, high-impact programs, In addition to NPD, learning about malignant narcissists can be helpful. In a letter dated May 25, 2021, Hunter, who is pastor of the Grace Memorial Church on Chicago's West Side, briefed Pelosi on the murder of his 17-year-old great nephew. Wild Honey: I finally walked up and said, Hey, maybe the dads could break up the party in the back?. My Comment was Deleted Why? judging by the train wrecks that have happened already at The Village Church, this has to be red-alert true of the place. These are open ended questions that are yet to be answered. The information I received IS from a member of Citizens Church, who contacted me to write the post. Much of the 21st century church reminds me of lyrics from an old song Living Life Upside Down (by Truth): What if were knocking at the gates of hell Psychological assessments prior to ordination are required in some denominations, including the one to which my church belongs. Matt & Lauren Chandler are friends with the Halls they are not just obscure staff members. Nobody who goes to bed at eight every night can be a Swinger.. Lets call this what it is wickedness. Anna, my good friend at No Eden Elsewhere, got booted off of Twitter when she tweeted that creepy pastor, Carl Lentz, should be tarred and feathered. Hes going to be one of the pastors over there. And that Elizabethan standards of humor probably differed from ours? That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. I do have questions: At this point both couples had stopped attending Citizens Church, and Isaac Wimberley had served a short stint as a worship leader at Lake Pointe Churchs White Rock Campus, where former Village Church Northway Campus Pastor Steve Hardin is now the pastor. I finally walked up and said, Hey, maybe the dads could break up the party in the back?. Its black and white thinking when people and institutions are quite a mixed bag . Everyone who trusted in Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley as religious leaders and representatives of Christ have been betrayed. She is the founder and Senior Pastor of The Baptist Worship Center Church in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Dont waste peoples time and money (and the efforts of the personnel at the educational institutions) training people for tasks they arent suited to perform. It was never disclosed how long this pattern of grievous sin went on, or when it stopped. If theyre not truly saved and they continue to refuse to put their faith in Christ, they will suffer for all eternity for this and for every other sin theyve ever committed. The HS is the Gatekeeper. Dont know why my original post didnt show, this was a duplicate. What did He mean? There are thousands of them in SBC church plants and satellites of mega-churches, like The Village Church. In 2013, The Village Church released a rap album featuring Wimberley with a duet of Wimberley & popular Christian rapper Tedashii. Excellent comment. Explore our524-acre campus located on a wildlife and nature preserve in the heart He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) Henry Hunter Hall is an American film and television actor.The son of actress-writer-director Kasi Lemmons and actor-director Vondie Curtis-Hall, Henry began his career as a child actor and has since tranisitoned to adult roles.He is most known for movies like Gridlock'd, Waist Deep, Black Nativity, Selah and the Spades, and Harriet; and TV shows like Answers To Everything, When They See Us . Yes, these men as individuals did these things . Eugene Harris - 1898; Rev. The technical skills can be learned as needed, but the human element, things like gentleness, grace and patience, in pastoral ministry is much harder to impart in the classroom setting. Absolutely not? or meal plans. takes you. Before moving on I need to say again what I just shared, as it is difficult to process on Tuesday of this past week, the elders of Citizens Church were informed that Hunter Hall committed infidelity with an adult member of our church, resulting in him being disqualified as an elder and being removed as both an elder and staff member. rejection and threats of ostracization, let alone the fires of hell. The way to deal with this kind of behavior, though, is not to stop preaching grace. Florida mediation attorney Hunter Hall has 30+ years experience as a trial attorney, often helping clients resolve their disputes out of court. So I am feeling yet again a gospel goodbye. Hey! I provided the scripture above as the reason why. Becoming a stay-at-home-mom within a conservative Christian sub-culture has made me far more of a feminist (in the traditional definition of the word) than public school, a secular university education, and seven years of working for a liberal/secular college ever did. Expel the wicked person from among you. I Corinthians 5:12,13. WIth all the talk about Just Like Seventies Swingers, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!, my mental database just retrieved an exchange from a Seventies made-for-TV B-movie (a murder mystery called Isnt It Shocking?): Crazy Marge Drinks Beer? Part of the problem is that Evangelicalism loves to define everyone and put people into groups. He is featured throughout The Village Churchs music on several platforms (iTunes, Amazon music, etc.). Hunter Hall was a longtime staff member at The Village Church, most recently as the Campus Pastor of the Plano location (until August 2019). Christianity has become more about having correct ideology than pure hearts and how people exercise the faith. I repeat left unchecked, New Calvinism will lead to antinomianism. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. However, police insisted Pastor Hall failed the administered field sobriety test," Fellowship Baptist Church said in a statement Monday. They deserve to know the truth about what happened so that they can heal, and become wiser. Never forget that Matt Chandler, who picked these losers (once again), is considered one of the leaders of the gospel boys. We will do our best accommodate each request. But theres a system and construct that keeps leading to this sort of thing. In early 2020 Isaac Wimberleys wife wanted to return to Citizens Church to be restored as a member. We are their people. I remember Lovejoy Mysteries on cable many years ago (about a Rogue of an antique dealer) where they managed to achieve that most of the time, but once when he actually stepped over that line from Rogue to Schmuck, it was very obvious and jarring. Bunsen Honeydew: Evangelicalism has a cultural problem. life, and maximize your UHCL experience.During your visit/stay with us, be prepared for a safe and healthy-conscious environment, I am becoming increasingly concerned about Matt Chandlers ability to choose pastors that understand the need for integrity in the pulpit. You cant go back and erase a bad reputation with outsiders and a failure to live above reproach (I Timothy 3:1-7). Hunter handles all Sunday morning experience aspects, including sound, production, and worship amongst others. We exist only to Pray, Pay Pay Pay, and most important OBEY! It may be better to screen for these traits, and that might be more possible if the candidates are people who are known to the congregation for a long time. Im convinced that New Calvinism is comprised of concentric inner rings, where young reformers pay their dues (idolize leaders buy their books, attend their conferences; tweet and retweet nuggets of knowledge from the masters; advance reformed theology in local communities; take over churches for the glory of the movement, etc.) There was no alcohol in his system and he blew 0.0 on the administered breathalyzer. Instead of worshiping God, the evangel(ical) cult(ure) is leaders that claim to represent/speak for God & the followers that $tep in line, $toop to this idolatry & its myth. Dont you know PASTOR Superapostle is a member of Gods Inner Ring, a PRIEST as far above us Laity as God is above a turd? Sorry. True. ME MAN! I saw the same thing with husbands and wives all the time, as well. I assume that they have studied Pauls writings and the epistles to the Corinthians in seminary. (I need to keep reading, but I am so sorry, I am so sorry) You probably have a myriad of questions, and we will be creating space for that, today and in the coming days. Specifically, elders and pastors are called to be above reproach. If there was an actual sexual crime involved with actual victims, that would be a completely different story, but literally no one was hurt. Yes, and dont forget in churches operating under the beauty of complementarity, the men take the lead on everything. This is hurtful and ugly and you dont even know the entire story and are making assumptions about peoples lives and telling it as truth. In August 2020, an announcement was made to the members of Citizens Church that there would be another meeting with an update concerning Hunter Hall. We Serve the Church with Strategic Real Estate Solutions CURRENT PROPERTIES 3111 W Ledbetter Drive Dallas, TX 75233 Agent : Roosevelt Broach Phone : 469-688-2803 View Details 5311 W Pleasant Ridge Road Arlington, TX 76016 Agent : Gene J. Livens, CCIM Phone : 817-516-0071 View Details 2383 Dunloe Drive Dallas, TX 75228 Agent : Roosevelt Broach There are no slaps on the wrist for these grievous sins. The 18 gifts are not the charismatic Pentecostal off-the-rails magic show. Mental health assessments DO happen in the ordination process. Henry Hunter Hall, who was born on April 5, 1997, and is now 25 years old, has emerged as a promising newcomer. example, two out of three UHCL students received some kind of aid package. in christian church culture in which I grew up (which mingled between various denominations and traditions), women and men worked together and made decisions together. It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. Hall was immensely popular as the Plano campus pastor, and was slated to leadCitizens Church, after its roll off as an autonomous campus in late summer 2019. However, rumors were starting to circulate about what was REALLY going on with the Halls & the Wimberleys. Do they pass around a bowl of car keys from all present (picking at random selects which wife to swap), or is that too Seventies? emily honey: I think a lot about how grandiosity traits are normalized in the socialization into evangelical culture and some of the doctrine. On the flip side, they bent over backwards to help out admitted adulterers. HOME; ABOUT; PERSONAL INSURANCE Menu Toggle. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, pastors dont expect to be rich, famous playboys. Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. an email at housing@uhcl.edu for more information. Some denoms also have programs for helping clergy who are having problems. He would have decided whether it was time to intervene, or let the kids handle it themselves while he paid close attention. Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. Where people are taught the signs of people they shouldnt trust? https://www.verywellmind.com/how-to-recognize-a-narcissist-4164528. There would be no reason to expose this evil had these pastors not engaged in this immoral conduct. And everyone would find him tremendously good company. Our church made a mistake about 15 years ago in hiring an associate pastor at a time when some key people were under a lot of strain. It isnt just New Calvinism into antinomianism, Calvinism in general leads to that. Why stop at Done? Rev. what mattered was kindness and generosity. Every time I think Ive heard it all, I realize I havent. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Furthermore, when elders sin, they should be rebuked BEFORE ALL. So frustrating thinking about the number of damaged souls left in this wake. But not anymore. Douglas Coupland. Over the last several years they have been with us. According to this sermon dated April 7, 2019, Chandler says hes known Hall since he was 16 years old. Unfortunately the congregation was met with the heavy words of teaching pastorJamin Roller and the noticeable absence of their lead pastor, Hunter Hall. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. Its perfectly manly for dads to wade into rowdiness or do any child-care chore. The enemy of God offers counterfeits to everything, including grace., Association of Related Churches YOU WOMAN! in fact, declares its biblical thus godly, holy, and what God commands. Sometimes pastors start to burn out, or they have family problems or health problems, or substance issues. The meeting was cancelled and has yet to be rescheduled. They are us. to just go along. It kind of reminds me of mortal vs venial sin. Great comment. The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: A pastor is standing in front of his congregation week after week, teaching and preaching; a worship pastor is leading moving and emotion-filled music services, appearing to be fully immersed in worshiping God and bringing glory to Him but behind the scenes these two men are exchanging their spouses for sex.. Even if they say their wives were on board it might actually be the men were for it so they automatically assume thats what their wife wanted. a remedial explanation: the belief system of The Village Church is complementarianism, in which God commands the husband to lead and the wife to follow. emily honey: I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. The information in this post was confirmed to the member BY LEADERSHIP at Citizens Church. Swingin while singin Jesus is a song heard only in Hell. Shakespeares Falstaff, now supposed to be a lovable rogue, but hes a textbook narcissistic abuser. They have limited their online presence on social media and blogs. 218.35 K USD. This was because the church is taking a dont ask/dont tell approach to the situation. You hide behind anonymity and dont even know the truth. and in that same moment i decided id change things up. i marvel at how christian culture prizes itself on having all the answers to produce elite people, and how sad & inferior the results. If a church finance employee embezzled thousands of dollars from their church, do you think the next church they tried to apply for a similar position at would hire them, knowing of their misconduct? A pastor who asks his wife to follow into this level of sin is wickedness of the worst order. Harriet. In other words, they keep candidates humble. When I saw it, I immediately asked her if I could post it here. Protect Yourself on the Road With Care Insurance From Perry Hunter Hall. Thats strange because we (the church body) didnt ask and they told, and then we didnt ask again and they told more and more. Im convinced that most churches have yet to figure out how to use Google when hiring new staff. peer pressure. 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